Whenever you think, in the DTM, it is finally good, is a team and "regulate" the result of team orders. Is that necessary?
Trump is not something that has just been reinvented. There have always been strategic decisions that have influenced a race. That was in the 50s, this is the case today. And I certainly understand that it makes such decisions. When it comes to the World Cup and it's really tight, then it makes no sense to teammates, as well as he on the move may be to give the victory, why should we lose the World Cup. But the question is, from when you start in a season with it. At McLaren we have done nothing in 2007, slowing to the pilots. That was sporting a really good decision, but in the end cost McLaren both world titles. Red Bull puts 2009 in a similar situation, but you said that you also will not interfere. In contrast, yesterday Audi at Zandvoort and the WTCC BMW recently in Porto. In both cases, we ordered some pilots back to a championship candidate got a few more points. And that's unsportsmanlike.
A race consists not only of a scoring run. It consists of the free practice sessions, and the quality of the race. If a driver, no matter how good it is otherwise, it does not manage the quality to come forward, then he has worked very poorly, had bad luck or a bad weekend caught the others were just better. This is for the offending driver, how unfortunate for the team, but as the game is played in motorsport. And it's a good thing, because otherwise always the same two or three drivers stood forward, which will see it.
What do you want to have races where riders for their courage, their commitment and performance are rewarded. Just as Oliver Jarvis at the weekend, which for ages had a good weekend again in the DTM. Then, he and his team worked hard and even second place would have been a nice reward, but just had to be a former DTM champion beaten in a new car. We must be frustrating for a driver when he then "ordered" is back.
Dr. Ulrich of Audi Motorsport speaks in this context of strategic decisions, and the fact that such have played in the race since the beginning of motorsports a part. That may be true, but the concepts of respect and honor are to be estimated as high. If a driver, in the case Jarvis, his second place has fought hard, and it is the fourth race of the season with a total of 10 races, then you should also honor his driver left a second place.
If a race is a farce when technocratic decisions that have to do with the classic motor sport any more, then the fans will find that at some point no longer beautiful. The DTM may have the most media attention, but it is not the only series that is aiming for a good level of motor sports, such as the FIA GT series shows. And the fans will think in tight economic times, whether they spend their money on a race where the outcome of the Group and does not depend on other decisions.
I have only a moderate understanding of the argument from Audi and other manufacturers (I will not forget Seat), indicating that one is forced to do everything for the title, so that one end of the budget for the coming year the Board gets free. A manufacturer collects not only because of sympathy, because he constantly wins, but because he was in a fair fight and lose time. So you have to, even though one may not particularly Mercedes, keep the good times to Stuttgart that they have nine years in F1, Ferrari and Renault have duped without you throwing in the towel.
The only positive about the whole thing was the reaction of happy to scolded me about ARD. Phillip Sohmer, Manuel Reuter and even Claus Lufen found clear and strong words about the farce at Zandvoort. Let's hope that the sender can exercise together with the fans enough pressure on the manufacturers, that this is not necessary anymore.
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Trump Card is part of motorsport, as earlier today. The question is just how far you go. As you said should be refereed by Jarvis does not return, if only for Repsekt because he had a really strong weekend and should be rewarded for it. Would you ever do that within the same front-runner, so in turn I would have no problem. That's just the factory racing Sun
The greatest insolence is but the one that is not an open approach if it already does. Instead, we lied in an interview with the people cold and feel completely ripped when the driver tells you "I was in the round of technical problems."
The team order is since ancient times to motorsport. I think that's also correct. It is a team sport, and also the drivers' title is actually a yes from the whole team won titles. That was true before, and now, where it still is about much more (money) is very much so. What I find bad is the ban on team orders. This forces the teams to resort to tricks and "explanations" that insult the intelligence of the audience.
That's Trump must never go so far that the competitors are pushed off the track, of course by itself would have to give it in such a case, of course, harsh penalties, particularly the exclusion of the whole team from the World Cup standings.
The DTM is simply the problem that two manufacturers are too little, and therefore a) common and b) obvious, and c) comprehensive comes to team orders. I have not seen the race and watch me and not normally in the DTM. But I wonder if the ARD had the "strong words" found also to Mercedes? If I have sometimes seen a DTM race, I certainly had the impression that there have been some reports not entirely neutral.
That is definitely not right. Do you remember how Kovalainen could wave over last year, Hamilton? And Coulthard was also a good water carrier. In the remaining years ago there was just no title chances. 2006, one must admit, McLaren have actually exercised equal treatment - an amazing process for the F1, which was promptly punished, too. Had to put Alonso, he would long since have been before the World Cup finals.
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10 teams in the F1 drive, there's team orders not pretty, but of course, competition is not always given, since "order" everyone has the only 2 cars.
Is a series like the DTM anyway only a two-make series, then this is anyway only moderately attractive "race" through the "order power" of Maren commander over half the field once a farce.
Then, yes lookouts Audi and Mercedes like a driver who will win, and only these two can go. : O)
To provide the opportunity at the end of the title holder, is still 50%, and if you then will not, but delivered properly spectacle, then helps the two Protragonisten more than this "we must secure the yes oh-so-important title" Arschabsicherungsgetue with Einsortiererei half of the field by team orders.
The DTM jumps with such a "race" into the abyss of meaninglessness sports, so it stands on the edge anyway.
Not necessarily. With only two brands, there are precisely one winner and one loser. In the F1 divides the status of "loser" on more teams.
For advertising, it plays a secondary role behind anyway, was introduced at how the title.
Mercedes fair Lose? That's probably a really bad joke?
There are hardly any other brand in motor sports can lose so badly. When Mercedes loses most opponents were unfair, the route unsafe or something was not right.
I would just once commemorated by at Le Mans 1999 ... where you have failed completely on its own debt to the track behind as too uncertain and defame the race as fair event. Or has shot the unspeakable farce in 2007 specifically as a Mercedes DTM, the Audi's. This company has in motorsports to lie as much in the Salt ... of fairness are further away than anyone else.
This can be in F1 but has not gotten out is nothing to do with fair behavior but because it is just a marketing perspective still worthwhile.
It is a two-brand championship and why should the two brands involved IMHO very careful to ensure that they interfere as little as possible to racing.
Funny, I always find the reactions of many fans behind if Mercedes has never done time, the outcry was great, makes Audi the same thing, then suddenly has always been part of motorsport ;).
The participating manufacturers make in my opinion, the DTM is the best advertising is when they show their drivers allow good sport. This also means that you abolish the petty fines for every crap.
I prefer to write to the WTCC, nothing, because after the seat affair, I personally can not take seriously this championship!
I must remember this year once again to return to the Nordschleife to see real racing.
The trouble is, in fact, the weakening of the definition of "team" versus "brand" - and linguistically. That one has the part of the television commentators have never figured that one's fellow is not the same as a teammate is one thing. (What if only two brands in the field already bordering stupidity.) But if the result anyway brands / manufacturers dictate to the scepter and the unsportlichst way possible according to your mood of the team who can go forward and who is not, then they can also cease immediately all to classify the driver's license in the team. In the aegis of the WTCC Manufacturers on the team is bad, in the DTM, it is downright perverse. Looking at the names of the teams (and cars) on, then one has the impression anyway, the division was a pure marketing tool to accommodate sponsors and company name. Even the drivers, the team membership so do not care - it was significant that Ekstrom has complained in qualifying by radio that it was "unbelievable" that a "teammate" (Legge, so no team but a brand colleague Ekstrom) him the round 've ruined.
That's right, thumbs up to ARD that you have very clearly expressed their opinion and pointed out the lack of sportsmanship and Fanveralberung. Such clear words and clear insistence would want know God more, it would be enough for that opportunity certainly in the DTM. But a thumbs down to the ARD for other nonsense such as this that we have found no clear words that Lauda Schumacher is clearly driven as revenge foul in the side, or that the whole weekend, Katherine Legge tearful as somehow problematic and latent has held up. Sometime on Sunday was first mentioned in an aside that she Scheider see in the box failed and the conflict in qualifying it was therefore not to chalk - that is in pretty much every racing series in the world, the pit lane the fast lane with priority and the responsibility for the prevention of incidents alone during removal Travellers Team / Lollipopmann is located, is apparently the entire ARD escaped. That Legge and her team (hah, "team" ...) was also punished for them, not Scheider's team is really incredible.
In short, the DTM degenerates more and more irrelevant to a kindergarten. The race weekend at Zandvoort was, once again, "typical DTM", unfortunately. I find it really spontaneous no reason why I still look at this nonsense at all, and that's sad. One can only hope that at least the WTCC learn from all these bad examples, but a lot of hope because you can not have it.
Oh. The DTM is on for years and not otherwise. The WTCC is not much better. Either you can fall back on P8, or makes us feel happy the door for the "team mates" who is better in the championship.
Bad about the whole thing is that yes, it "really" is prohibited and is then adjusted with small "glitches" in the whole engine. Fitted well in Formula One is a simple time strategy (Brawn ^ ^) and since then only the pilot nags.
Trump give wirds always, no matter obs allowed or prohibited. The thing is, in how far the fan has to continue kidding ...
So from the dtm I'm more disappointed for years. properly since the ford is gone. governing the stall is at the dtm but really perverted.
with the wtcc I'm honestly happy .... the only thing you should do away with that would be the inverted start running second in formation I sometimes think we could fix it in because you can just two qualifying sessions. as with the A1GP. 1x for the sprint race .... 1x for the feature race. think that could play chess at the end of a run dispel final.